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Wow! I never thought of this perspective. For most people, procedural is the first concept. If they ever start looking at apl, I would wager that's much more tenable then what you had to do!

For comparison, I heard that people who start with functional programming find it quite intuitive. The hard part isn't learning a new paradigm, but "unlearning" the old one.

(Also I hear they're more than a bit sad about how crude procedural programming is! But unfortunately I came at it the other way around, so my standards are permanently lowered ;)


Similar shit happening in North Korea. Should the US go there next?

Regime change was NOT the goal, right? Wasn't that the party line?


No one goes for NK because they have nuke. The exact situation the US/Israel try to prevent for Iran.

This is Saddam's WMDs all over again.

Regime change isn't the goal per se, but disarmament is. Angry mullahs without missiles and nukes are harmless.

Whoever told you this was lying to you. Trump released a statement on the first night of the war explicitly stating that regime change was the goal. Disarmament is the new goal he fabricated when the first one didn't work.

I don't think there's any point in digging into soil to implant the goal posts anymore, because they'll be moved in 6 hours. Best to just use a couple of shills to hold them up.

and N Korea is sidelined by the USA because N Korea does not have anything we 'want' i.e. oil gold silver rare earth......

Is it?? I need to update my calibration then. What tipped you off?

I know we're supposed to assume good faith comments here on HN, but god damn...

It's like being a contender in the Jordan age, but this is arguably worse because of Carlson's longevity.


you couldn't have missed GP's point any more if you tried. ignoring the ad-hominems about SWE greed:

these tools have been trained on decades of people "obsessing over every last detail". what GP is arguing is that we're detaching from that: you prompt, you get something that works, it doesn't matter how it got there. we're now entering the world where the majority of code will be vibed. So whatever our foredevelopers came up with, that will be the the final chapter of craftsman-produced, understood, code. whatever the previous generation actually learned about software engineering, that's at an end too, because why bother learning when i can prompt.

there's no stopping this transition, obviously. the next generation of tools will be trained on the current generation of tools' generated code. we're passed the "termination shock" of sofwtare understanding.


Oh I got it just fine. I was knocking their point artisanal software will make a comeback.

Am an EE and have argued against all the developer gibberish and self aggrandizement for years. It's just electromagnetic geometry of the machine to me.

Most software out there is all the gibberish devs need to do their job. Burns a lot of resources clinging to it. Completely useless to using a computer how most users will.

Vectors as a uniform layer of abstraction, rather than arbitrary namespaces a programmer finds cheeky, will obsolete a bunch of gibberish.


What shit did he talk about the team's leader? "That project is going to fail" is talking shit? Nothing could be more objective than that.


Yuck. I don't know if it's just me, but something feels completely off about the GH issue tracker. I don't know if it's the spacing, the formatting, or what, but each time it feels like it's actively trying to shoo me away.

It's whatever the visual language equivalent of "low signal" is.


Still gh issues are better than some random discord server. The fact that forums got replaced by discord for "support" is a net loss for humanity, as discord is not searchable (to my knowledge). So instead of a forum where someone asks a question and you get n answers, you have to visit the discord, and talk to the discord people, and join a wave channel first, hope the people are there, hope the person that knows is online, and so on.


Yeah, I suspect that a lot of the decline represented in the OP's graph (starting around early 2020) is actually discord and that LLMs weren't much of a factor until ChatGPT 3.5 which launched in 2022.

LLMs have definitely accelerated Stackoverflow's demise though. No question about that. Also makes me wonder if discord has a licensing deal with any of the large LLM players. If they don't then I can't imagine that will last for long. It will eventually just become too lucrative for them to say no if it hasn't already.


Discord isn’t just used for tech support forums and discussions. There are loads of completely private communities on there. Discord opening up API access for LLM vendors to train on people’s private conversations is a gross violation of privacy. That would not go down well.


Veritassium is in a league of its own. Just take a look at their last year's videos. The production value is just second to none.

They have enough of a following now that they can dedicate 55 minutes to something and not worry about the algorithm, which usually dictates much shorter form factors


This was the first of their videos that impressed me. Looking back, I have watched a few of their videos per year. Previous were videos tended have much less content density and quality.

I really enjoyed the segments where they let ASML's (now former) CTO Martin van den Brink just talk.


Except for the decades of experiments yielding validated predictions?


youve missed the point entirely


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