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Six wrongs don't make a right 8)

When I was a lad, 30ms was considered the worst latency allowable for telephony unless you were dealing with satellite links, in which case you taught people to use a simple variety of radio protocol (over).

Nowadays with all our fancy crappy comms, 200+ms is considered normal. Ever noticed the lag on a Teams call?


OP is not talking ping but page load time. Depending on when you were a lad pages could take up to 30-60 second to load on a modem.

"The real reason why they are unhappy with you having an unsupported browser"

I tend to encourage Firefox over Cr flavoured browsers because FF (for me) are the absolute last to dive in with fads and will boneheadedly argue against useful stuff until the cows come home ... Web Serial springs to mind (which should finally be rocking up real soon now).

Oh and they are not sponsored by Google errm ... 8)

I'm old enough to remember having to use telnet to access the www (when it finally rocked up and looked rather like Gopher and WAIS) (via a X.25 PAD) and I have seen the word "unsupported" bandied around way too often since to basically mean "walled garden".

I think that when you end up using the term "unsupported browser" you have lost any possible argument based on reason or common decency.


> Web Serial

why in the absolute fuck would I want random web pages to be able to control all the devices connected to my computer?


It's essentially for programming microcontrollers, ESP32's and the like. It's really handy. You have to confirm the connection every time.

I have an idea - what if a webpage could just run arbitrary code? With a confirmation every time. Then you wouldn't need a WebX for every X.

"Hyperbolically, I think it's one of humanity's greatest resources."

The content is one of humani .... oh it is all of ... oh its in the hands of ... a commercial company renowned for adverts.

Is there not a better place for human creativity than ... Google? Should my TV license fee fund Google?

Fuck off (hyperbolically)!


> oh it is all of ... oh its in the hands of ... a commercial company renowned for adverts.

As opposed to governments renowned for colonizing half the world, destroying countless cultures, committing genocide in living memory?


> As opposed to governments renowned for colonizing half the world, destroying countless cultures, committing genocide in living memory?

Yes. Private companies are capable of the same, with addition of having profit as a sole purpose of existence.


No, but do check with Dick van Dyke - the real mockney geezer

"interesting, so when a fellow is taken up by the cops, and he says "thers no punt, im telling you truth", is that unfamiliar?"

Yes it is unfamiliar - it is unlikely that anyone in the UK has accidentally said that.

"i have a lot of different nationalities partaking of my wilderness lodge, and a lot of the younger english ones use punt/play/burn/scam as equivalent."

Given you have a dislike of capitals, I'll hazard a guess at your age (but not tell you). Kids here (UK) don't use words like that, says Granddad! I get a capital G because I say so.

If I had to guess, I've probably replied to a shit AI sigh


im organic, and im older than dirt.

When it comes to email you have to be completely ... enthusiastic: "I was following all the best practices with SPF, SKIM, and DMARC."

DKIM. Obviously that was a typo on a forum but you cannot be complacent, ever.

You have missed out DNSSEC (nearly optional), SMTP-TLS and MTA-STS. Does your SPF record end with -all? Does your DMARC record have reporting addresses, does it have: "p=reject; sp=reject; adkim=s; aspf=s" in it?

I also suggest you send marketing emails from a sub domain or a separate domain or move your identity domain elsewhere. A cop out is getting someone else to send your stuff and I do not recommend that - it looks lax and trite.

I run a MS silver (its not Stirling and I'm not proud of it) partner. I recently shuffled our on prem to Exchange online, which at least saved a shit load of vRAM n vCPU on prem and horrendous Windows updates. I do insist on gatewaying all our SMTP via our on prem Exim n RSpamD n that. That means I get to decide where our mail goes and I also have a couple of Dovecots on prem.

I run rather a lot more mail systems than ours too. This works in the UK but I cannot comment on [elsewhere], for obvious reasons.


Thanks for the tips and catching the typo (fixed).

You could look at your denigrators and decide: "fuck you". Internet points are strangely attractive but not vital. You can always post with another account with a bit of effort too.

I understand that you are pissed off (as am I too) but debating with an army of bots, LLMs, wankers and Russians is unfortunately the status quo, quotidien.

On the bright side there are lots of lovely folk hereabouts with a large thing between their ears.


> You could look at your denigrators and decide: "fuck you"

That escalated quickly and I enjoyed this comment a lot


Happy to oblige.

I totally understand where you are coming from and my personal take is LLMs are to "stuff" as a drill driver is to a screw driver. They are a tool, just a tool. ... bear with ...

I over floored several rooms in my house (UK, '20s build) with plywood before laying insulation, heating mats and laminate floor boards for the final finish. I don't have a staple gun so I screwed the boards down at roughly 600mm c/c across the floorboards and 300mm along them.

What the blazes has that got to do with LLMs?

Well, I used a nearly inappropriate method for a job and blasted through it nearly as fast as the best method! If I had used a manual screwdriver I would have been at it nearly forever and ended up with a very limp wrist. I do own an old school ratchet screwdriver and that would have speeded things up but still been slow. I did use yellow passivated screws with sharp threads and a notch to initiate biting into the wood - rather more expensive than a staple or a nail.

So I burned through my tokens (screws instead of nails/staples) faster than if I had used a pneumatic nail/staple gun.

Anyway. LLMs are tools. They can be good tools in the right hands or rip your fingers off in the wrong hands.


Running with this analogy, the two sides of the AI argument are the people who think they can fire their plumber and electrician now that they have a drill driver, and the people who know it doesn't work that way...

Quite. My larger drill driver will wrench your wrist unless you know how to set the speed/mode/etc correctly and know how to brace yourself correctly.

At the moment, I think that a LLM needs skilled hands too. Have a casual chat - that's fine but for work ... be aware.

I recently dumped a wikimedia (our knowledge base is a wiki) formatted table into a LLM (on prem) and asked it to sort the list on the first column. It lost a few rows for some reason. No problem - I know how my tools work but it was a bit odd!


My Commodore 64 begs to differ.

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