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I wonder if she lied about her age when signing up to FB. I know I did, and most people I know did too (back when we actually used FB). I don't believe FB ever allowed users younger than 13 due to COPPA (passed in 2000) and she clearly used it before turning 13. For context FB always asked for users' birthday during signup.


FB can determining the approximate age of the user by the content they posted

They give users tags like "rich, dumb, racist, likes watches, likes big cars".

The reason they might not tag you "possible minor" is to deny they knew in case of something bad happening.

Even if you lied that you are older then 13 years , did the Cam girls company paid FB to show that ad for ages between 13-18? Why? To prepare their minds for the future ?

I expect some other bullshit excuse, that clearly the children lied they are over 18 and as a company that buys ads on FB you should know that FB will probably show ads to those children and you will pay for it because those super genius developers are too busy with more important projects like some new framework, they don't give a shit they waste your ad money, what could you do? put your cam girl ads on the TV?


> Even if you lied that you are older then 13 years , did the Cam girls company paid FB to show that ad for ages between 13-18? Why? To prepare their minds for the future ?

From the Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/jul/26/children-lie-a...):

> The survey found that 83% of the 11 to 15 year olds whose internet usage was monitored registered on a social media site with a false age.

> Just over 40% of the children signed in stating they were over 18 years of age, with one even claiming to be 88.

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> company that buys ads on FB you should know that FB will probably show ads to those children and you will pay for it because those super genius developers are too busy with more important projects like some new framework

That seems like a pretty cartoonish view of FB employees. They are trying to solve the problem. People who argue like you have rarely ever actually had experience running FB ads (more cutthroat than you'd think; FB isn't omniscient despite media reporting). The #1 priority at every large company is protecting their brand (see ex App Store review chief: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJeEuxn9mug). Many people (like you) constantly condemn large corporations ("why don't they just...") due to a lack of empathy and inability to put yourself in these people's shoes. If all the people saying "why doesn't Apple put a headphone jack back in, it doesn't take that much space!" actually had to undergo the pressure of working for Apple's hardware design team, they'd understand the tradeoffs far better and spread less uninformed criticism.

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/world/facebook-developing-...

> “We look at things like people wishing you a happy birthday and the age written in those messages. We also look at the age you shared with us on Facebook and apply it to our other apps where you have linked your accounts and vice versa. So if you share your birthday with us on Facebook, we’ll use the same for your linked account on Instagram,” Diwanji explained.

> The social network said that it is focused on using existing data to inform its artificial intelligence technology.

> “Where we do feel we need more information, we’re developing a menu of options for someone to prove their age. This is a work in progress and we’ll have more to share in time,” said Facebook. — IANS


I am working as a dev for many years, some problems are not hard to solve but some other stuff has more priority and is placed up int he list. So IMO FB has FB pushed this at the bottom from various reasons, one of them might be that is a problematic one so they won't touch it until they are forced too.


Am I the only one who thinks FB would easily:

a) "implement" COPPA by using the sign-up form

b) don't care that the profiling of a user leads to showing ads that would fit a 10-year old

c) don't care when other ads clash with the profile consistent of a 10-year old

d) plausible deniability

Q.E.D


FB said in SEC filings that many young people lie about their age when signing up; independent research I've found confirms that FB uses self-reported age for ad targeting (https://www.demogr.mpg.de/papers/working/wp-2021-006.pdf). British authorities say more than 80% of children lie about their age (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/jul/26/children-lie-a...). More search shows that parents often encourage their kids to lie about their age when signing up (https://journals.uic.edu/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/3850/...), presumably under the belief that it'll make them less likely to be targeted by predators. FB has used algorithms since 2011 to try to ban underage users (https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/12/technology/internet/12und...) but presumably there's an error rate, and it's bad PR for normal adult users to be asked to submit their ID/passport to keep access to their account, so it's a hard problem.

It's easy to paint FB employees as cravenly evil cartoon characters, but most FB ads (except ones from the biggest corporations) are "direct response", i.e. not focused on increasing brand awareness but on immediately funneling users to a sales page. FB doesn't benefit from underage kids, who have zero spending ability, from seeing direct response ads (obviously, brand awareness ads on underage people are hugely effective, however), it just messes up their ad targeting. It seems to be a hard problem to solve when you consider all factors.


Employees seldom are evil cartoon characters. Banality of evil, and all that.

It's the system as setup which is the problem. When faced with such a hard problem, there are basically two outcomes:

- oh well, carry on then

- maybe we shouldn't be doing these things, and make a drastic change?

I know, the second option is almost laughably absurd.


That's fair, and there's certainly tons of incentives to ignore problems; office politics, liability (because if a company is "internally aware" of a problem, that's a huge liability for lawsuits and regulation), etc.

But I'd give a lot to see a reality TV show where people who constantly criticise big corporations are put in charge of the relevant team for a year (people here being put in charge of FB's ads team; people who want headphone jacks being put in charge of the iPhone hardware design team and having to deal with the tradeoffs) and see how "easy" a problem is to solve. Though them running these companies to the ground might be the goal after all.


That's what I'm saying. The fundamentals of some companies are such that they can't be (morally) rescued, only divested.




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